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post Aug 29 2013, 13:43:36
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*Artist: Buzruh
*Album: Alone In The Dark
*Year: 2013
*Genre: Depressive Black Metal
*Country: Turkey (IMG:http://metalarea.org/forum/style_images/flags/Turkey.png)
*Format: mp3@VBR271kbps
*Size: 123MB

Tracklist:
01. Looking For Mortality (Like An Animal In The Dark) 04:59
02. Don't Give Me Hope, Give Me A Weapon 05:07
03. Hatethislife 04:40
04. Scream With Me 03:27
05. Sun Is Dead, Hallelujah 05:09
06. Waiting In Purgatory 06:27
07. Suicide Is An Option (But Think Twice) 03:43
08. Alone In The Dark 03:19
09. Winter Come And Kill Me 03:56
10. This Hatred (Will Live Forever) 04:21
11. Black Bloody Knife 04:29
12. Back To The Primitive 04:32
13. I Fucking Hate You 02:59
14. And The Sun Is Slowly Dying 05:41
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Total playing time: 1:02:49



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post Aug 30 2013, 12:13:43
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QUOTE(Kaphiel @ Aug 30 2013, 10:13:30) *
Trve будет Suicide (And don't think!)? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/1488.gif)
Что вы привязались к товарищу? Идите лучше Танчика подоставайте, вот там почва благодатная, однозначно! Или тут, едрить-колотить, все такие латентные националисты до обкаканой попы прям?! Если бы он не был из Турции, просто бы постебались над названием и тема бы заглохла, а тут развели... Какая разница - турок он или зимбабвиец, русский или чукча? В первую очередь - он музыкант! Вот и судите материал, а не человека или его страну.


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ЦИТАТА(Kaphiel @ 30th August 2013 - 11:13:30) *
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post Aug 30 2013, 17:10:54
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QUOTE(waldemardr @ Aug 30 2013, 04:10:01) *
BURZUKH - yeah, I lol'd.
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/hmm.gif) By the way, its interesting... I don't know what does "Burzukh" mean in Urdu (or other language spoken in Pakistan), but there are two bands named BARZAKH (one is Indonesian, another is from Abu Dhabi, UAE); and metalarchives say that in islam, Barzakh is an intermediate stage in which the soul of the deceased awaits Judgement Day. I have no idea does Arabic term correlate with Turkish "buzruh" or not, but... "frozen soul" (post lethal slumber) seems to fit this concept.


I think ''Purgatory'' is the best translation of this word. I may be wrong but I think it is originally a Persian word pronounced as ''Barzakh''. In addition to what you explained , due to some stupid religious dogma, it is a place for souls who haven't been really evil but not as good to deserve paradise! Some place between heaven and hell.


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QUOTE(princeshr @ Aug 30 2013, 18:10:54) *
I think ''Purgatory'' is the best translation of this word. I may be wrong but I think it is originally a Persian word pronounced as ''Barzakh''. In addition to what you explained , due to some stupid religious dogma, it is a place for souls who haven't been really evil but not as good to deserve paradise! Some place between heaven and hell.



No, unfortunately, it is not. Purgatory means ''waiting room of the souls'' and it's religious term. Firstly you can find it in Tibetan buddhism, christianity and islam...Even in Dante's Inferno... Buzruh, as I said before, means frozen soul, loneliness after death(Alone in the Dark, in coffin). because you can't see the sunlight in your coffin (And The Sun is Slowly Dying) and when the sun leaves you...

in Anatolia, people say ''Buz gibisin.'' means ''You're like ıce'' But maybe they have to stop saying this because Buz reminds Burzum (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile1.gif)

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Buzruh-Sun is Dead, Hallelujah
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post Aug 30 2013, 18:57:12
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ЦИТАТА(Buzruh @ Aug 30 2013, 06:18:46) *
Hey Sherlock, apparently you have plenty of leisure time :/ good for you, people will thank you, they will click the ''спасибо'' button


Thanx for Sherlock. I just remember this one project from Pakistan.

Well, I don't speak your music - shit. I don't even listen it.
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QUOTE(princeshr @ 30th August 2013 - 19:10:54) *
I think ''Purgatory'' is the best translation of this word.

I've made a little research just now (visited some websites of islamic theology (IMG:style_emoticons/default/22.gif) ), and found that Barzakh, in general, means "afterlife" and described as some kind of "barrier", or "wall" between earthly life and paradise domain, and deceased have to trespass it to reach eternal joy. In another article, there's described an amusingly absurdous procedure of login/password after death (IMG:style_emoticons/default/crazy.gif) (two angels, Munkir and Nakir, approach to the soul and ask about mohammad - "who the fuck is this man?" - and if answer is correct, they show him a "promo teaser" of paradise, and then put him into the slumber of cryostasis till the Judgement Day)
Purgatory (at least in catholicism) is different kind of afterlife - not a slumber but catharsis through torment. By the way, it was not present in original christian dogma, and in orthodox christianity there's no concept of purgatory. It seems to be an influence of Indo-European tradition, and even (if to look deeper) connected with reincarnation.

All in all, FUCK the abrahamic religions with every stupid dogma. ИСЛАМ - ОСЛАМ! (islam - for mules) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/true_black.gif)


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QUOTE(Buzruh @ Aug 30 2013, 18:27:51) *
No, unfortunately, it is not. Purgatory means ''waiting room of the souls'' and it's religious term. Firstly you can find it in Tibetan buddhism, christianity and islam...Even in Dante's Inferno... Buzruh, as I said before, means frozen soul, loneliness after death(Alone in the Dark, in coffin). because you can't see the sunlight in your coffin (And The Sun is Slowly Dying) and when the sun leaves you...


I think you got me wrong dude. I didn't mean to say that ''Buzruh'' and ''Barzakh'' are the same thing. Surely they're not the same thing. And it's true, the very same or at least similar concept can be found it most of the religions.

QUOTE(waldemardr @ Aug 30 2013, 19:05:51) *
I've made a little research just now (visited some websites of islamic theology (IMG:style_emoticons/default/22.gif) ), and found that Barzakh, in general, means "afterlife" and described as some kind of "barrier", or "wall" between earthly life and paradise domain, and deceased have to trespass it to reach eternal joy. In another article, there's described an amusingly absurdous procedure of login/password after death (IMG:style_emoticons/default/crazy.gif) (two angels, Munkir and Nakir, approach to the soul and ask about mohammad - "who the fuck is this man?" - and if answer is correct, they show him a "promo teaser" of paradise, and then put him into the slumber of cryostasis till the Judgement Day)
Purgatory (at least in catholicism) is different kind of afterlife - not a slumber but catharsis through torment. By the way, it was not present in original christian dogma, and in orthodox christianity there's no concept of purgatory. It seems to be an influence of Indo-European tradition, and even (if to look deeper) connected with reincarnation.

All in all, FUCK the abrahamic religions with every stupid dogma. ИСЛАМ - ОСЛАМ! (islam - for mules) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/true_black.gif)


Dear waldemardr, in this case - as with almost any other case in the stupid religions - any one of the people who regards himself or herself an religious expert may present different definitions. I think they have nothing better to do than endlessly tackle with these abstract concepts. But about ''Barzakh'' I must add that in Persian literature, especially the classic kind, this concept, i.e. ''Barzakh'' has been vastly applied as a metaphor for uncertainty and unclear states of mind or being. For example a lover who is not sure about the love of his or her beloved one may metaphorically say that he or she is ''living in a Barzakh of love'', that is a point between certainty and uncertainty. The given point between two opposite poles (like heaven and hell).


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QUOTE(waldemardr @ Aug 30 2013, 20:05:51) *
I've made a little research just now (visited some websites of islamic theology (IMG:style_emoticons/default/22.gif) ), and found that Barzakh, in general, means "afterlife" and described as some kind of "barrier", or "wall" between earthly life and paradise domain, and deceased have to trespass it to reach eternal joy. In another article, there's described an amusingly absurdous procedure of login/password after death (IMG:style_emoticons/default/crazy.gif) (two angels, Munkir and Nakir, approach to the soul and ask about mohammad - "who the fuck is this man?" - and if answer is correct, they show him a "promo teaser" of paradise, and then put him into the slumber of cryostasis till the Judgement Day)
Purgatory (at least in catholicism) is different kind of afterlife - not a slumber but catharsis through torment. By the way, it was not present in original christian dogma, and in orthodox christianity there's no concept of purgatory. It seems to be an influence of Indo-European tradition, and even (if to look deeper) connected with reincarnation.

All in all, FUCK the abrahamic religions with every stupid dogma. ИСЛАМ - ОСЛАМ! (islam - for mules) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/true_black.gif)


fuck them all, I agree (that's why I made ''Burn the Fucking mosque/ as Unhappy....and I did this song in Turkey (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile1.gif) )

But, more or less, there is still tolerance in Christianity. I mean go and burn a church and christians will pray for you... But if you have some balls go burn a mosque...you're dead... and islam poison is spreading in Europe/East Europe... I think you guys will miss the churches one day
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QUOTE(Buzruh @ Aug 30 2013, 19:25:05) *
fuck them all, I agree (that's why I made ''Burn the Fucking mosque/ as Unhappy....and I did this song in Turkey (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile1.gif) )

But, more or less, there is still tolerance in Christianity. I mean go and burn a church and christians will pray for you... But if you have some balls go burn a mosque...you're dead... and islam poison is spreading in Europe/East Europe... I think you guys will miss the churches one day


The religions are all the same in my mind. More than that, I believe that the real purpose of religion have always been dividing the people as we can see all around the world. And dear Buzruh, as far as I know some Norwegian BM figures had been jailed for burning churches and not being tolerated at all. The only difference in my opinion is that in today western/christian societies, the religion doesn't have the total authority and power, otherwise the religious people would have surely killed the atheist or pagan people for not only burning churches but things much smaller than this. In eastern/islamic societies, unfortunately the religion/Islam still has that kind of total power and authority. For this reason they can punish atheists or pagans any way they want - Just like the medieval Europe when the church was the greatest power in Europe.
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QUOTE(princeshr @ Aug 30 2013, 20:31:18) *
The religions are all the same in my mind. More than that, I believe that the real purpose of religion have always been dividing the people as we can see all around the world. And dear Buzruh, as far as I know some Norwegian BM figures had been jailed for burning churches and not being tolerated at all.


I'm talking about compassion and tolerance but not law. Law and religious tolerance is different things. burn a church is a crime. but burn a mosque is a crime and the reason of a lynching.
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QUOTE(Buzruh @ Aug 30 2013, 19:37:12) *
I'm talking about compassion and tolerance but not law. Law and religious tolerance is different things. burn a church is a crime. but burn a mosque is a crime and the reason of a lynching.


That's right. Unfortunately in Islamic countries still law=religious establishments
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тему не читал,сразу послушал. музыка мимо увы (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile2.gif)
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Topic is becoming pretty interesting...
QUOTE(princeshr @ 30th August 2013 - 21:21:53) *
I must add that in Persian literature, especially the classic kind, this concept, i.e. ''Barzakh'' has been vastly applied as a metaphor for uncertainty and unclear states of mind or being. For example a lover who is not sure about the love of his or her beloved one may metaphorically say that he or she is ''living in a Barzakh of love'', that is a point between certainty and uncertainty. The given point between two opposite poles (like heaven and hell).

I think it's an example of syncretism and interpenetration, when foreign religion starts to grow on the ground of native beliefs, weltanschauung, mysticism etc (and meet autochtonic, ancient mystical traditions). If I know well, islam in Persia was transformed a lot, turning into very special form different from Arabic islam tradition, for example... just like christianity in Europe - by the way, Eastern Slavonic "orthodox christianity" is a pretty weird fusion of christianity and paganism; Western European catholicism is far from "original" christianity too.
Of course, religious discussions, theologists with their opinions and visions, sects and heresies - is a source of religious mutation too... so, someone may even interprete Barzakh in connection with quantum physics - "point between certainty and uncertainty", isn't it a Schredinger cat? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/crazy.gif) both dead and alive, and not observed by anyone in the grave - who the fuck knows, is corpse dead or alive, lol. So, the cadaver is like "sleeping" - dead but alive at the same time (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headcrab.png) So, one more interpretation is ready.

QUOTE(Buzruh @ 30th August 2013 - 21:37:12) *
burn a church is a crime. but burn a mosque is a crime and the reason of a lynching.

Yes, of corpse - because islam is about 700 years younger than christian religion, so now it just like a christianity in XIII-XIV centuries, with strong religious authority, fanaticism, inquisition, lynching and other stuff. Medieval times, but in the world of modern technologies, it makes the situation weird (just imagine if catholic church had an access to chemical weapons or nuclear bomb in the age of crusades)))


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QUOTE(waldemardr @ Aug 30 2013, 21:42:14) *
Topic is becoming pretty interesting...

I think it's an example of syncretism and interpenetration, when foreign religion starts to grow on the ground of native beliefs, weltanschauung, mysticism etc (and meet autochtonic, ancient mystical traditions). If I know well, islam in Persia was transformed a lot, turning into very special form different from Arabic islam tradition, for example... just like christianity in Europe - by the way, Eastern Slavonic "orthodox christianity" is a pretty weird fusion of christianity and paganism; Western European catholicism is far from "original" christianity too.
Of course, religious discussions, theologists with their opinions and visions, sects and heresies - is a source of religious mutation too... so, someone may even interprete Barzakh in connection with quantum physics - "point between certainty and uncertainty", isn't it a Schredinger cat? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/crazy.gif) both dead and alive, and not observed by anyone in the grave - who the fuck knows, is corpse dead or alive, lol. So, the cadaver is like "sleeping" - dead but alive at the same time (IMG:style_emoticons/default/headcrab.png) So, one more interpretation is ready.
Yes, of corpse - because islam is about 700 years younger than christian religion, so now it just like a christianity in XIII-XIV centuries, with strong religious authority, fanaticism, inquisition, lynching and other stuff. Medieval times, but in the world of modern technologies, it makes the situation weird (just imagine if catholic church had an access to chemical weapons or nuclear bomb in the age of crusades)))


''just imagine if catholic church had an access to chemical weapons or nuclear bomb in the age of crusades''
subtle and you are right. But, America (eventually it's a Christian country/nation) have Nuc.Power. just imagine if Al-Kaide or Taliban or any other islamic shit had an access to nuclear bomb or chemical weapons?


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This is what I speaking about. The recent chemical attack in Syria is a confirmation.
To get an access to the nuclear weapon is not such a problem for islamist scum, by the way - there's enough of warheads in Pakistan.


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QUOTE(waldemardr @ Aug 30 2013, 22:14:34) *
This is what I speaking about. The recent chemical attack in Syria is a confirmation.
To get an access to the nuclear weapon is not such a problem for islamist scum, by the way - there are enough of warheads in Pakistan.


yes, but Pakistan is not a islamic terror organization, it's a country as you know. and Pakistan gov. is just America's puppet. And they fighting against to Al Kaide with America.

By the way I'm not defending Christianity, but remember Pussy Riot event... They still alive and this is really interesting for me...

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Hey, guys! Wait! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/23.gif) So what about music? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/20.gif)


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ЦИТАТА(waldemardr @ 30th August 2013 - 22:14:34) *
The recent chemical attack in Syria is a confirmation.

Don't you think that this "attack" is made by Jewnited States of Americunts? Just the way to send troops to hog one more Oil Cow.
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Вот вас на этот Бузрух натянуло! Целый день трёте. Пора азербайджанский Maymeh запускать. Берите на заметку.


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Вот вас на этот Бузрух натянуло! Целый день трёте. Пора азербайджанский Maymeh запускать. Берите на заметку.


Buzruh means frozen soul...so please tell me what is that mean Maymeh?

all day? calm down man, nobody said, ''woow Buzruh music amazing.'' everyone talkin about Burzum and Buzruh name similarity.
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Maymeh=Mayhem (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile3.gif)
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QUOTE(vosmidesijatye @ Aug 30 2013, 23:04:23) *


Or Nradle of Milth.... so the problem is....what is nradle and what is milth?

Or Netallica

Or Nlayer

what about meaning?
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ЦИТАТА(Kaphiel @ Aug 30 2013, 10:14:34) *
clublen, пора его могилку прикрывать для публичных посещений, а то молодожопыены всякие со скудной фантазией ему наверное порядком поднадоели.(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile1.gif)

Не факт, что его останки там вообще есть. Порой гугл, там есть послевоенные фотки, где всякие студенты надгробие расковыряли и сдвинули, а вогруг всё исписано хуже чем рейхстаг 9-го мая 45-го. Всякие фразы типа "здесь был вася" перемежаются с "теперь ты познал, что мир материален" и "думал ли ты, что русский Иван будет стоять на твоём прахе???" Я думаю скелетик разворовали на сувениры уже давно. Русский Иван он такой. Только Витя Цой всегда живой. Ну и Юра Хой.
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ЦИТАТА(Buzruh @ Aug 30 2013, 23:02:45) *
Buzruh means frozen soul...so please tell me what is that mean Maymeh?

all day? calm down man, nobody said, ''woow Buzruh music amazing.'' everyone talkin about Burzum and Buzruh name similarity.

Да вот понимаешь, я тоже не слушал твой альбом, также как и те, кто тут с утра трёт. Да и не буду слушать, наверное. А ты сам-то как считаешь? Альбом amazing или не amazing? Если честно скажешь, что amazing, то сразу прослушаю. Смотри не обмани.
И да, пиар удался у тебя. Кстати, тут и русских фриков, типа тебя, хватает. Например дибил из Wine From Tears.

Evet, biliyor, ben de sabah t burada olanlar gibi, müzik dinlemek yok. Ve ben dinlemek değil, sanırım. Ve kendinizi, o zaman değil mi? Şaşırtıcı ya da şaşırtıcı değil Albüm? Eğer dürüst şaşırtıcı, sonra hemen dinlemek bana söylersen. Aptal bak.Ve evet, bir PR başarı var., Burada bir şekilde ve yeterli gibi Rus düşkünleri,, ile. Örneğin Wine From Tears dışında lanet.

Итнересно, Гугл нормально перевёл на туркиш? Или как и на русский, туфтологично?

ЦИТАТА(Mahmud_1 @ Aug 30 2013, 23:11:38) *
Оооо, парень, это очень стряшное название. Дело в том, что МЭХ - это самый страшный демон в мифологии МАЙя. Логику улавливаешь О_о МАЙский МЭХ..это вам не это (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fear.gif)

Он приходит в мае весь одетый в мех и вселяется в самых меховых туркишей. Таких как nbhf или как там его. Ты, Buzruh, случайно не он?
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QUOTE(waldemardr @ Aug 30 2013, 20:42:14) *
Topic is becoming pretty interesting...

I think it's an example of syncretism and interpenetration, when foreign religion starts to grow on the ground of native beliefs, weltanschauung, mysticism etc (and meet autochtonic, ancient mystical traditions). If I know well, islam in Persia was transformed a lot, turning into very special form different from Arabic islam tradition, for example... just like christianity in Europe - by the way, Eastern Slavonic "orthodox christianity" is a pretty weird fusion of christianity and paganism; Western European catholicism is far from "original" christianity too.
Of course, religious discussions, theologists with their opinions and visions, sects and heresies - is a source of religious mutation too... so, someone may even interprete Barzakh in connection with quantum physics - "point between certainty and uncertainty", isn't it a Schredinger cat? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/crazy.gif) both dead and alive, and not observed by anyone in the grave - who the fuck knows, is corpse dead or alive, lol. So, the cadaver is like "sleeping" - dead but alive at the same time.


That is right. Many many sects and orders and things like that have branched from Islam throughout its history and each of them has its own definition of most concepts. It is funny indeed, because in many cases their interpretations are even opposite. About the influence of Iranian culture on Islam you are completely right. In fact Iranian culture has been struggling to turn this harsh religion into something more tender and humane. A lot of the mentioned sects are the products of this process.
Ive never thought about it from the view of quantum and the Schrodinger's cat. It is interesting, although I think in Schrodinger cat's case the outcome stays unknown because it is a given imagined situation without considering the final unavoidable facing with the definite outcome which will be one of the two things: Cat is still alive or 2. It is already dead. However someone like the lover I mentioned, I mean the lover unsure about the love of his or her beloved one, has no other option but to face the reality which may be harsh. That is the cruel logic of life.


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QUOTE(Kaphiel @ Aug 30 2013, 21:43:07) *
Don't you think that this "attack" is made by Jewnited States of Americunts? Just the way to send troops to hog one more Oil Cow.


I'm sorry but Russia and Iran governments are the main defenders of that criminal assad, so I think the chemical weapons have been provided from here or there as well. Iran and Russia are much more guilty in this than any other government.


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ЦИТАТА(Mahmud_1 @ Aug 31 2013, 02:00:09) *
Сейчас ты станешь минимум "ослепшим" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/1488.gif)

И это будет правильно.
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QUOTE(Kaphiel @ Aug 30 2013, 23:43:07) *
Don't you think that this "attack" is made by Jewnited States of Americunts? Just the way to send troops to hog one more Oil Cow.


Lol. So much hate in one sentence... MAn, it's a propaganda. You are owned.
Just imagine that countries are independent organismus with their own minds and goals. Every big country wants to become bigger. Every huge country wants to become the only one. Why? For example, to survive.


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QUOTE(Mahmud_1 @ Aug 30 2013, 23:00:09) *
Держись, анархист, руССким твоя точка зрения не понраица. Сейчас ты станешь минимум "ослепшим" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/1488.gif)


The translation Google has provided is not really understandable. I wonder if you are challenging what I said earlier, because it is an undisputable fact known to everybody. Of course you are free to close your eyes to the truth. Many others are doing it as well. And of course as an Iranian, I mean the governments of these two countries not their people.
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QUOTE(Buzruh @ 30th August 2013 - 23:31:36) *
yes, but Pakistan is not a islamic terror organization, it's a country as you know. and Pakistan gov. is just America's puppet. And they fighting against to Al Kaide with America.

As it was once said - "The East is a delicate matter". Today they are USA satellites, but tomorrow... who knows? an Islamic revolution, or another kind of islamist attack - and in result, bearded fanatics got an access to the pretty serious arsenal of ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads. About 100 nukes, if I know well. By the way, special forces of USA and Israel even have a plan of immediate operation to disable Pakistan nuclear power, in case of this scenario... but again, who knows - will operation be successful or they'll fail?

QUOTE(Kwaad @ 31st August 2013 - 01:13:36) *
Just imagine that countries are independent organismus with their own minds and goals. Every big country wants to become bigger. Every huge country wants to become the only one. Why? For example, to survive.

I'll add: to imagine so called ZOG (or worldwide masonic conspiration) as something entire and monolithic, united and centralized - is just like to think that mafia is one united organization, with one single Don-Fucking-Carlione superboss sitting somewhere and controlling everything. It's an obvious mistake, because mafia is a row of different clans with different leaders, sometimes they wage wars, sometimes cooperate... according to the current situation. The same thing is about "masonic conspiration" and "ZOG" - different clans controlling different territories and countries. They may provide a collegial coordination, although discord, incidents and even wars happening too, this is the root of world's conflicts and political accidents. Not a "theatrical play to give people some show", as someone may think. The mechanism is far more complex than we may imagine. And if those wide-spread (especially among NS people) primitive concepts about ZOG would be truth - be sure, all those nationalists would be immediately eliminated, and all the information is swept away.
What a "centralized zionist structure" can we speak about, when there is even a discord between jewish clans? and two most powerful branches - Sefards and Ashkenazi - are in state of constant competition.

QUOTE(Mahmud_1 @ 31st August 2013 - 00:11:38) *
Дело в том, что МЭХ - это самый страшный демон в мифологии МАЙя.

Майя - в жертву! Ацтеки рулят (IMG:style_emoticons/default/25.gif) хэйл Вицлипуцли!


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